Chris Skinner shares a recent interview he did for a Turkish magazine, where he’s asked about why Turkey is so good at fintech, and what the digital future looks like.

Just before Christmas, I was interviewed by a Turkish magazine about the future, Turkey and fintech. I thought it might interest folks to share it here …

When you wrote your first book about fintech, little was known about it. How much has that changed and have your predictions so far come true?

Things have changed a lot. I mean I met my first fintech firm way back in 2005. A company called Zopa. I wrote my first book in this space in 2007 and it wasn’t until around 2014 that everyone else caught up. My predictions about technology have all pretty much come true or are starting to. My predictions about financial markets were a little bit off, thanks to the Black Swan of the credit crisis, followed by things like the Brexit vote.

You’ve been in Turkey before. What was your opinion of the Turkish fintech ecosystem before, and has  your opinion changed since being here?

I’ve always thought Turkey was demonstrating leadership in financial technology since first seeing an advert for contactless payments from Garanti Bank about 10 years ago. That was the one where a guy was being chased by a dog and ended up losing all his clothes. Very funny. My opinion is still the same, which is that, in the retail banking markets, Turkey is far ahead of most other European countries.

In fintech, it’s not the same, as that requires a strong startup ecosystem, which Turkey has, but not as well supported by government as the ones I see in other markets.

What is the greatest strength of Turkey fintech ecosystem?

People. You have great people with great vision here. I think the Turkish talent pool is rich, and that makes it stand out for me.

Could you compare the Turkish banks with European banks? Are the Turkish banks more ready for digital transformation?

Well, as I said, I think Turkish retail banks are on the cutting edge here, and far ahead of their European counterparts. It was best illustrated to me when I talked to one of your leading local banks who had just toured American banks, to see what they were doing. He told me that all they could talk about was the sorry state of their core systems, and the challenge that created in dealing with digital. He then asked me why they have this problem, as Turkish banks don’t understand it.

The difference is that most American and European banks implemented massive programmes of technology change and investment in the 1970s and 1980s, and they’re now locked into those systems because they operate their core mission-critical services. The fact that those systems are now 50 years old is starting to show, as they cannot support real-time, internet-based business.

Turkish banks don’t have this problem, because most of their core systems were developed after internet banking became the focus. This is why Turkish banks are far more ready for digital than their European or American counterparts.

How can traditional banks prepare for the digital revolution?

The main priority is to recognise that digital isn’t “banking as usual” with technology on top, but that digital is the core structure of the bank with people on top. It’s a cultural change, and a leadership that fully understands and embraces digital will be able to communicate this cultural change to their people. A leadership that just talks digital, yet doesn’t fully embrace it, will fail.

On your personal blog, you said that Turkey will be cashless at 2023. Do you still think the same way? If you do, what’s your strongest argument about it?

It’s the Turkish clearing system for retail payments, BKM, that has made this forecast. I think it’s ambitious, and that Turkey will be largely cashless by 2023, but it won’t be fully cashless. The reason I say this is that Sweden has tried to get rid of cash for 50 years and the central bank there believes it will be another 50 before they succeed. If Turkey could beat Sweden, then, well, that would be something …

As you know, Turkey has the largest young population compared to other European countries. How does this affect Turkish banking technologies and fintechs?

This goes back to my previous statement about talent being the strength here. When you have a young talent pool with vision, you can achieve anything. It’s why the hotbeds of fintech revolution and change are in many countries with youth on their side: the Philippines, Mexico, Brazil, Nigeria, Kenya and Turkey. Where you have an ageing population, as we see in Germany and Japan, it’s far more difficult to find a visionary talent pool that understands technology, because most of the population were born before computers were used at home.

What will we talking about in the fintech sector at 2018?

I think the dialogue about artificial intelligence, machine learning and robotics will continue, which has been hot this year, along with a lot more discussion about IoT (the Internet of Things). I prefer to call it the “intelligence of things” though, as this is all about things having intel inside. When things are intelligent, they can work out how to do commerce, trade, investments and payments. You won’t need a banker to work it out for them.

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About the author

Chris Skinner

Chris Skinner is an independent commentator on the financial markets through the Finanser, and chair of the European networking forum the Financial Services Club, which he founded in 2004. He is an author of numerous books covering everything from European regulations in banking through to the credit crisis, to the future of banking.

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